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Bruce Springsteen/Madonna

Give the Arena Some

By Xgau Mar 27, 2012 5:26AM
Bruce Springsteen: Wrecking Ball (Columbia)
The first six tracks are all heavy irony shading over into murderous rage, with refurbished arena-rock to slam it home; it's perversely anti-political to lay any other interpretation on the opening "We Take Care of Our Own," which cites places "From the shotgun shack to the Superdome" where we‑-meaning the U.S.A. so many Americans weren't even born in‑-documentably haven't taken care of our own. It's protest music, damn right about moral abstractions rather than those finely limned characters good little aesthetes get gooey about, and for me a cathartic up. Second half's less of a scour, which the anti-political find a blessed relief and I find a forgivable nod to humanism and Clarence Clemons‑-
especially since the climactic "We Are Alive" is so vulgar as to assume that all America's oppressed will rise up from the grave they share. To wreak vengeance, y'think? They got a right. A MINUS

 

Madonna: MDNA (Interscope)

Forget the four "Deluxe" extras, not one of which except maybe the pretty little "I F***ed Up" improves on the updated '90s arena-dance power tracks of the first 43 minutes, although they top the deadly-dreamy closer "Falling Free" as well as the penultimate "Masterpiece," which begins "If you were the Mona Lisa . . . ." Granted, I could mock "Ooh la la you're my superstar/Ooh la la that's what you are" just as easily. But lyrics have never been where she showed off her gorgeous brains, and anyway, the 10-track mix I propose as an alternative goes out on a real song called "Love Spent": "Hold me like your money/Tell me that you want me/Spend your love on me/Spend your love on me." Nicki Minaj shines bright, but she's no more crucial structurally than the cheerleaders who garnish "I'm Addicted" at its close and embellish "Give Me All Your Luvin'" throughout. Play loud. She's smart and she's proud. A MINUS

 

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Mar 28, 2012 8:45AM
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Johnpenn, I wasn't so much concerned with your opinons on Madge and the Boss, nor their ineptitude to enlighten the masses (shouldn't enlightenment come from within and not from popstars or the church anyway?), but the usage of the word, 'has-been.'  Plus, I never made the equation of superstars meaning 'great people', so you can trash your Hitler/Mussolini idea. Who cares about their personalities, anyways? If you based your musical tastes on the personality and character of the musician, star, etc., you'd have a pretty small list, right?
Mar 28, 2012 8:30AM
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Madonna just gets on my nerves. She never was a great singer........a few tracks on this are pretty good. But often times she ruins songs with really stupid lyrics. Bang is down right offensive. She's too full of herself and too busy trying to be too young dating 23 year olds and even in her music going out of her way to appeal to a younger audience. It's all too calculated and fake. Springsteen on the other hand is the real deal ....at true musician!

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Awesome, last time we had random Googlers was the Nicki Minaj album. Deb, John - welcome. What have you guys been listening to lately?
Mar 28, 2012 8:10AM
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Hitler and Mussolini filled stadiums too. Did that make them great people? I'm talking about these two people who were raised in the Roman Catholic faith and taught the greater values and responsibilities, but only used their talents to sell pop music.
Mar 28, 2012 8:07AM
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Since when do has-beens sell out stadiums across the globe and can afford the promotional blitzkriegs for their new albums and tours?
Mar 28, 2012 7:40AM
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Neither one of these two has written a memorable song since the 1980s. Two old hasbeens still trying to get attention for their music. Neither one has ever transcended their pop star status and become anything greater. What a pity to see them throw their lives away in such a nothing industry. At one time, they were both in a position to become ambassadors to bring healing to the nations and enlightenment to the people. Now, nobody with any brains cares what these two self-absorbed egotists do with their nothing lives.
Mar 28, 2012 7:21AM
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Seriously comparing Madonna to Springsteen is like comparing dog food to caviar.
I get the impression Springsteen spends more money on dog food than on caviar. The inverse is true of Madonna. 
Mar 28, 2012 6:46AM
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Seriously comparing Madonna to Springsteen is like comparing dog food to caviar.

Bruce is a poetic genius, his music transcends to all ages.  The man is a freaking musical genius. Wrecking Ball..great cd, love the messages and will never stop loving the awesome voice of Springsteen.

Mar 28, 2012 6:09AM
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Nora: Thanks. I'll see if I can scrounge up the Mojo article on the interweb.
Mar 28, 2012 5:50AM
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Hay, I'm back! :) Surprised about the Madonna (I will be listening to it), not so much the Bruce (I gave it a B+, myself). Xgau, have you listened to Cloud Nothings' older album/s? If you have Spotify--I'm sure you do--check it/them out! :D Also, not sure if you caught this last time, but I have a new blog: http://goo.gl/wZTDQ

Also part deux, what does everyone think of One Direction being the first band since The Beatles (and, are also British), to get to number one with their début? I don't think they are bad, per se, but... number one material? ...Unsure.
Mar 28, 2012 4:50AM
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Just saw Cloud Nothings at the Merc last night. Apparently they're at Glasslands tonight. NY-area Witnesses should try to get in, though the Merc was sold out and Glasslands may be as well. Elsewhere in the country (and Canada, and Canada), check your local listings.


Mar 27, 2012 11:39PM
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This is also a book by a Canadian pop writer considering a major Canadian cultural phenom (centered in a city I adore, Montreal), which gives it a hefty dollop of innate interest.

He also seems to have pretty decent knowledge and understanding of Francophone Quebec culture (or at least the part of it that he's writing about), an all-too-rare thing for an Anglo writer, especially one from outside Quebec - I wish that chapter had been 10 times as long. That Celine quote in the book about N.O. Katrina looters ("let them have those things") - Wilson is right, it's so Quebec it's perfect.

Mar 27, 2012 11:31PM
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Jeffc77 -- About Gram Parsons biographies: I read the Sid Griffin, the Jessica Hundley, and the Ben Fong Torres. Maybe some other one. They were all pretty bad. He suffers from being written about by fans who want to inflate his importance. I love his music, but I found that off-putting. I think the tv bio that was done a few years ago is okay, but otherwise I think there was a good article in Mojo once. The David Meyer I haven't read, but it sounds pretty bad to me, from reading about it and reading an interview with him.
Mar 27, 2012 10:53PM
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Let me say, electropop, then. The concept of pop, at least for me, always was confusing. If we consider it's just about popularity, tUnE-yArDs isn't fairly known here in Brazil, for example. I don't know how to handle with terms like indie/pop or alt/pop, though, too. 

Pop is certainly a famously elastic term, to which I know many definitions miles keener than the one I'm about to offer have been applied. But just to clarify what meant by it, I consider pop shortform music with a requisite emphasis on structured songwriting (however experimental), melody (however jagged) and upbeat rhythm (however undanceable), all of which are more or less proven by science to be the surest methods of musically instigating popular satisfaction.


Or, if you prefer, music that goes POP!


As for subgenre nomenclature and its arsenal of individual explanations, my belief is that those terms are exclusively rhetorical even if they're all getting at something. But what do I know?

Mar 27, 2012 10:29PM
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Patrick, I suspect the thumbs-uppers admire that comment's insouciance.

Or they are trying to encourage him to say more crazy stuff.
Mar 27, 2012 10:02PM
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Finally started Carl Wilson's Let's Talk About Love book and I bring it up because the first chapter features guest appearances not just by Madonna but our host as well. This is also a book by a Canadian pop writer considering a major Canadian cultural phenom (centered in a city I adore, Montreal), which gives it a hefty dollop of innate interest.
Mar 27, 2012 9:38PM
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If I'm wrong in considering tUnE-yArDs pop*, I concur absolutely. Its consistency and that luminous aura of sonic euphoria radiating from every perfect prefab beat definitely helped it climb abovekeepers-of-the-pop-f​lame Fountains of Wayne's entry. The lyrics weren't better, but as observed above re: Madonna, that isn't what we've ever turned to Britbrat for anyway. And just like Sky Full of HolesFemme Fatale ended on an note of social consciousness so subtle it renders all of Bruce's beautifully intentioned anthems impossibly obvious by comparison.

*which I'm not

Let me say, electropop, then. The concept of pop, at least for me, always was confusing. If we consider it's just about popularity, tUnE-yArDs isn't fairly known here in Brazil, for example. I don't know how to handle with terms like indie/pop or alt/pop, though, too.
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Not to feed the troll or anything, but why is the guy who's boasting of giving both albums an F without listening to them getting *7* thumbs-ups?
Mar 27, 2012 9:31PM
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Joe Levy's interesting take on MDNA:


http://goo.gl/3Bfiy
Mar 27, 2012 9:27PM
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A bit difficult to love, but whatever, you love without knowing if you're euphoric for some reason or just dancing.
I've got nothing folks, I just wanted you to read this one more time.
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Robert Christgau

Starting in 1967, Robert Christgau has covered popular music for The Village Voice, Esquire, Blender, Playboy, Rolling Stone, and many other publications. He teaches in New York University's Clive Davis Department of Recorded Music, maintains a comprehensive website at robertchristgau.com, and has published five books based on his journalism. He has written for MSN Music since 2006.

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