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The Henry Clay People/Macklemore & Ryan Lewis

They Try Harder

By Xgau Oct 12, 2012 7:02AM

The Henry Clay People: Twenty-Five for the Rest of Our Lives (ATO)

Soundbites‑-well, wordbites‑-song by song. "We don't know how to die." "I'm making sense of all the senseless/I'm getting wrecked with all the reckless." "We found some jobs and paid off our loans/Then we lost our jobs and let your parents know/That you'll be movin' home." "Every band we ever loved/Is selling out or breaking up/Finding out the limits of their reach." "Give it up and come on out/That stupid dream is over." "You are the property of privilege/Now you are learning how to live with it." "You wanna taste a taste of the tasteless/We can waste away with the wasted." "And I can move to the country/But that won't solve anything." "One mistake too many fights three nights/You pay for the rest of your life." "Friends are forgetting/We're getting too tired to try/Keeping up with each other/So we leave them behind." "Not that it ever made a difference/Back when we were innocent/Oh-oh-oh." Pretty impressive. Problem? More than half the songs sound effectively the same. Rocking, absolutely. Tighter, too. Tuneful, in their way. But imagine the Replacements without Westerberg's hookfinder and you'll understand the limits of their reach. B PLUS

 

Macklemore & Ryan Lewis: The Heist (self-released)

The question  isn't whether this Seattle alt-rapper is a cornball, it's whether he's so dumb he's a cornball or so brave he's a cornball. The answer is "Same Love," the best gay marriage song to date in any genre and as corny as it damn well oughta be. Sure there's too much "who I really was," too much "a life lived for art is never a life wasted." And though the co-billed Lewis is big and original for an alt-beatmaker, his percussion-oriented version of an E Street Band, strings-swell-to-big-finish aesthetic has its icky moments. But as someone who shares Macklemore's moral views if not his equation of sincerity with soul, I find only the alcoholic's confession "Neon Cathedral" too much, and that one's counteracted by the relapser's confession "Starting Over," just as "Sayin' `That's poetry, it's so well-spoken,' stop it" counteracts his art talk. He's especially good on old cars and old clothes. B PLUS

 

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Oct 16, 2012 3:42PM
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In the worthy tradition of not letting things spill over into new EW entires ...

"I've shown that first 1968 Elvis boxing ring set to a number of twentyish kids and they've been blown away."

The reason I cracked wise about this is because it's missing my point. I never claimed yout of today would find Elvis a snore or even unsexy. I was hardly shocked that Graceland was not an Old Folks Attraction (though it was interesting that the crowd at Sun Studios was notably younger).

My point is that Elvis in 1956 can only happen once. Hell, even I was too young for Elvis the Bombshell. Didn't apprehend him properly until after he was dead, as a matter of fact. Given the overwhelming dominance of "Happy Days," *Grease* and *American Graffiti*, maybe the single biggest hurdle is making people feel how disenfranchised and unimportant teenagers and youth culture in general once were.

Next, I certainly agree with Bob that Hackamore Brick is a "B" ("an admirable effort that aficionados of the style or artist will probably find quite listenable," which nods to my VU fascination); and especially never understood what was supposed to be so transcendent about the girl-out-the-window song.

I also agree that the Serpent Power is a far superior LP -- but in a final, peculiar footnote for me, I came across two copies of the Hackamore Brick album (years apart, but still) and it was on the always-elusive Kama Sutra label. I never encountered the Serpent Power until it was reissued on CD -- and it came out on frickin' *Vanguard*, which was forever all over the place. Weird.

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"I can't have been the only one to seek it out after Marcus' recommendation, which is one of a few dozen reasons I don't pay much attention to Marcus' recommendations any more."

Whether or not you enjoy Hackamore Brick, I can't think of too many lists of recommended records with a higher batting average than Marcus' Stranded discography.
Oct 15, 2012 10:16PM
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All this fuss might get the thing reissued ...


Oct 15, 2012 10:09PM
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Love that Hackamore Brick review, from the made-up Venus in Furs Society, through "moderate quantities of oral sex" as a sign of decadence (That one is hilarious. There's a little Velvet Underground in everybody I guess), to the deft feint of "And the organ solos are obviously an hommage to John  . . . " Cale? Nope, somebody even more obscure and presumably less talented.

Subtle maybe, but very, very precise.
Oct 15, 2012 9:49PM
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EW would be dreadful if it were a total backslapping nostalgia trip. . . . But to occasionally get some context on how the discourse of rock developed (from two people who were there) is both pretty cool and instructive.

Many years from now I'll tell people about the time I punched Ryan in the kidney when he got on his high horse about the Magnetic Fields once too often, to the same effect.
Oct 15, 2012 9:41PM
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idiot kid/layman perspective -- for an unacquainted, Serpent Power sounds like the name of a prog-rock band (and what with a 13-minute signature tune it's fairly remarkable they aren't); "organ solo" of course invites an assumption of same. So when I first read it in '09 or whenever (probably on account of having discovered Stranded, the first place I looked at the phrase "Hackamore Brick") I took that as the capsule's punchilne (which it is), the this-is-where-the-unpretentious-integrity-of-the-Velvet-Underground-is-undercut part. Which is to say, message telegraphed, even to a person who has no ****ing clue who the SP were. Good job good job.

Listening to "The Endless Tunnel" now; how I love ya how I love ya 'frisco.

Back to the Usually Milo Show (not that there's anything wr[etc.])

(wonderful, wonderful stuff below, Xgau)
Oct 15, 2012 9:26PM
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Milo: That HB review--which is mine, folks--is what I meant by too subtle. The Serpent Power line was meant to be the giveaway, but understandably, not many and conceivably nobody got it. (The Serpent Power were good, BTW.) R Robinson and Meltzer were both in Lisa R's clique, which also included Lenny Kaye and even Danny Goldberg for a while, although I recall Meltzer got the heave-ho after some shenanigans in a hotel fountain at . . . an Alice Cooper junket in Philly? If I sound nostalgic, I'm not. But those were really different times. I wasn't in the clique and didn't really want to be, but I got to go to Lisa's press parties. She gave one for the Kinks in late 1971. I took Carola, who was my girlfriend in New Haven's best friend (although In fact I met C first). She was a Harvard-magna hippie chick splitting her daycare-teacher check with another hippie chick who didn't have the right accreditation. Prime rib, she couldn't believe it.
Gosh, maybe I am nostalgic. I'll stop now. The Kinks, prime rib. Yum.
Karin Berg was on that record too. R.I.P.


Oct 15, 2012 9:06PM
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"and they've been blown away."

You had them secretly tape peer-to-peer responses? Terrific! Be sure to link to the published results.
Oct 15, 2012 8:57PM
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Milo, I've shown that first 1968 Elvis boxing ring set to a number of twentyish kids and they've been blown away. No irony in their responses (unlike some friends my age), and they sure found him sexy.
Oct 15, 2012 8:53PM
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I donno, man. I just bought it because I read this:

"This audition tape by the Venus in Furs Society--a record collectors club whose firsthand contact with "decadence" consists of one DMT experience and moderate quantities of oral sex--bears a spooky resemblance to The Velvet Underground (LP number three, the lyrical one). Chick Newman's sour pitch has the deadpan emotional resonance of Lou Reed's, only folkier and more sanguine. The flat, droning beat is pure Maureen Tucker. And the organ solos are obviously an hommage to John Payne of the Serpent Power. B"

Because I was deeply fascinated by the VU.  And, you know, that kind of hick experience wasn't exactly a contemptible nothing.

The later Greil remarks seem ... oh, just crazy. Unrelated self-justification.

I ran across the record early and it gave me a glimmer of hope that the VU might become a big thing some day. Guess that was misguided and I should feel bad about my moment of delusion.

Oct 15, 2012 8:50PM
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Meltzer's involvement with HB is a new one on me, but they were produced by Richard Robinson, who also did the Flamin' Groovies' Teenage Head and started Rock Scene magazine, so rock critic hype is about right. Also, HB were kinda meh--I can't have been the only one to seek it out after Marcus' recommendation, which is one of a few dozen reasons I don't pay much attention to Marcus' recommendations any more.

Oct 15, 2012 8:40PM
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Is anybody else having trouble with their reload button on the site? I find I have to go up to the header and reload from there. Been going on at least a week. Anybody having the same trouble give me a thumb down. That'll be fun.

Edit: FWIW, I just got the reload button to work. But since that has been happening every once in a while, I'd appreciate continued thumbing.
Oct 15, 2012 8:38PM
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Milo: No VU longing explains why Greil Marcus thought Hackamore Brick had "more wit and a better sense of rhythm than the Ramones." (Ramones deafness, maybe.) As I imply but am too effing subtle to say outright in my review, one of the great early rock critic hypes--as I recall, Meltzer is on that record. Not that Greil and Meltzer ever colluded on anything.
Oct 15, 2012 7:52PM
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"Hackamore Brick"

This is one of those curious things. It's almost impossible to get across now how striking and exciting some VU nods were from a band at that time. Exactly as it's impossible to convey to a class of kids today how, in ways they can't imagine, Elvis was insanely sexy, pornographic and disturbing when he was new. Some of us lived for hints of Iggy and VU like button-down '50s teens lusted for some overt signs that sex was cool not dirty and that hanging loose and going wild as the King was not criminal. (I know the scale is way different, but the latter-day problem is quite the same.)

What does this count for in ultimate evaluation? I'm not sure. But it shouldn't be forgotten.

Oct 15, 2012 7:33PM
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Current listening research for the next poll: Hackamore Brick - "One Kiss Leads To Another"

Essential historically but not historic. Influence is measured in inches not Velvet Oceans. First wave of many future wavers.
Oct 15, 2012 6:44PM
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Since the Witness subjects are running hither and thither, I'd like to offer a quick salute to the recently deceased Dutch-Congolese saxophonist John Tchicai. I saw him play twice -- once with a bunch of fellow Amsterdammers led by Misha Mengelberg and then fronting a small group in a local yoga center (!?!), both times his easy meld of noise and gentleness, reflective and headlong, won your head and heart at the same time.

 

The Big Bombs, in order, are:

 

The New York Art Quartet, S/T (if you respond strongly to this, you should pick up *Old Stuff* right away)

 

Archie Shepp with the New York Contemporary Five (a fundamental riff on Ornette)

 

John Coltrane, *Ascension* (this is about getting into Tchicai, so this ranks third because as a sweet soul, he's a bit muscled aside here)

 

As to Later Days:

 

Pierre Dorge & New Jungle Orchestra, *Very Hot Even the Moon Is Dancing* (1985)

(finest early outing of the pan-cultural big band featuring Tchicai -- it's a fine outfit you may find you need to explore more -- look for the outings with Johnny Dyani)

 

*John Tchicai With Strings* (2005)

 

The strings are synthesized and very unobtrusive when they are there at all. Mostly a quartet with surprisingly successful sampling, electronics, and still full lyricism. Ends with a lovely piece set to a poem by Steve Dalachinsky.

 

If you become a fan after all this, an interesting supplement is John Tchicai and Cadentia Nova Danca, *Afrodisiaca* (1969 on MPS), where he tackles his own big band and string sections. There are flubs, so you have to be on his side already -- then, however, fascinating.

Oct 15, 2012 6:44PM
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gdash: Sorry, no transcript because no manuscript. I'll be improvising for once.


Oct 15, 2012 6:31PM
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How cool. Slate's posted a Spotify playlist of (almost) every real record mentioned in Chabon's Telegraph Avenue: Donald Byrd, Airto Moreira, Stevie Wonder, Andy Gibb, "It's Too Late", etc. etc. etc. Seems to go on forever. And what's that at the end? "If you want to spin the fictional musical stylings of Mr. Cochise Jones, however, you’ll have to stop by Brokeland Records." Very nice. Check it out: 

http://goo.gl/EFexh

Oct 15, 2012 5:39PM
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Listening to Buena Vista Social Club in 24 bit - the sound is perfect, the music to me much better than the honorable mention status. If I were doing a poll this would be up there in the 15-20 point range along with Check Your Head.

Oct 15, 2012 5:38PM
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Duke.  You have now set the bar unconscionably high for me at my job.

I freaking love that Jo Dee Messina song. 

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Robert Christgau

Starting in 1967, Robert Christgau has covered popular music for The Village Voice, Esquire, Blender, Playboy, Rolling Stone, and many other publications. He teaches in New York University's Clive Davis Department of Recorded Music, maintains a comprehensive website at robertchristgau.com, and has published five books based on his journalism. He has written for MSN Music since 2006.

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