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Wynton Marsalis & Eric Clapton/Nils Petter Molvaer

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By Xgau Nov 1, 2011 2:40AM

Wynton Marsalis & Eric Clapton: Wynton Marsalis & Eric Clapton Play the Blues: Live From Jazz at Lincoln Center (Reprise Jazz)

This isn't just figureheads rising to the occasion or getting back to where they once belonged, although both models pertain‑-especially for Marsalis, who enjoys the blues enough that his monster chops masticate them lip-smackingly rather than chewing them up and spitting them out. What's decisive, however, is a conception in which the members of a blues horn section interact polyphonically rather than uniting in the soulful Texas manner while blues polymath Clapton dictates as well as plays and sings a repertoire that includes Memphis Minnie and Howlin Wolf as well as W.C. Handy and Johnny Dodd. The juxtaposition may discomfit at first‑-we're not used to blues so jaunty and effervescent. But let it and it'll lift you right up. A MINUS

 

Nils Petter Molvaer: Baboon Moon (Thirsty Ear)

Recorded live in the studio with a worldly-wise drummer and a sonic guitarist who adds some modest Teo Macero moves, this is less techno and dubby than the trumpeter's norm, in its many quieter moments evoking the exotica stylings of Jon Hassell. "Recoil" lifts into a riff-driven guitar workout at track three before the music recedes back into contemplation, with Molvaer varying his embouchure and the drums all demonstrative as the guitar seeks out effects. Then the seven-minute title track goes all in on a crowd-pleasing finale. He's always a little too subtle. But in a way that's always the point. A MINUS

 

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Nov 1, 2011 4:53PM
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Wait, didn't you say This is Our Music only got one vote?
Nov 1, 2011 4:46PM
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1.   Miles Davis, In a Silent Way 20
2.   Albert Ayler, Spiritual Unity 14
3.   Eric Dolphy, Out to Lunch 13
4.   Ornette Coleman, This Is Our Music 12
5.   John Coltrane, Live at the Village Vanguard 10
6.   Albert Ayler, Lörrach, Paris 1966 8
7.   Miles Davis, Filles de Kilimanjaro 7
8.   Thelonious Monk, Monk. 6
9.   Peter Brötzmann, Machine Gun 5
10. Sun Ra, Cosmic Tones For Mental Therapy 5

I needed ages more time. For instance, I played E.S.P. later that day and kicked myself in the face.
Nov 1, 2011 4:19PM
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For the curious, here's the list of albums that received only one vote and were therefore ineligible for the ballot results list:

Armstrong, The Great Summit

Art Ensemble of Chicago, People in Sorrow

Art Ensemble of Chicago, The Spiritual

Ayler, Lörrach, Paris 1966

Ayler, Spirits Rejoice

Ayler, Vibrations (aka Ghosts)

Blakey, The Witch Doctor

Braxton, For Alto

Byard, The Last From Lennie's

Cherry, Mu

Clarke, Volcano…Live at Ronnie's

Coleman, Crisis

Coleman, Ornette on Tenor!

Coleman, This Is Our Music

Coltrane, Ascension

Coltrane, Coltrane Plays the Blues

Coltrane, Impressions

Coltrane, Interstellar Space

Coltrane, John Coltrane and Johnny Hartman

Coltrane, Meditations

Coltrane, Ole

Criss, Sonny's Dream

Criss, Up Up and Away

Davis, Bitches Brew

Davis, E.S.P.

Davis, Kurhaus 4/9/60

Davis, Sketches of Spain

Davis, Sorcerer

Dixon, Intents and Purposes

Dolphy, Last Date

Dolphy, Outward Bound

Ellington, Duke Ellington and John Coltrane

Ellington, Featuring Paul Gonsalves

Evans (B.), Complete Village Vanguard Recordings 1961

Fitzgerald, Clap Hands Here Comes Charlie!

Fitzgerald, Ella and Duke at the Cote D'Azur

Fitzgerald, Twelve Nights in Hollywood

Gale, Eddie Gale's Ghetto Music

Getz, Getz/Gilberto

Green, Feelin' the Spirit

Green, Idle Moments

Hancock, Empyrean Isles

Henderson, Page One

Hill, Black Fire

Hines, Live at the Village Vanguard

Kirk, The Inflated Tear

Konitz, Motion

Lyons, Other Afternoons

Mantler, Jazz Composers Orchestra

Mingus, Oh Yeah

Mobley, Soul Station

Monk, Monk Alone: The Complete Solo Studio Recordings 1962-1968

Morgan, Cornbread

Nelson, Straight Ahead

Peterson, Night Train

Roach, We Insist! Freedom Now Suite

Rollins, On Impulse

Shepp, The Way Ahead

Shorter, Speak No Evil

Shorter, Super Nova

Sinatra, Sinatra-Basie

Smith, Back at the Chicken Shack

Smith, Prayer Meetin'

Sun Ra, Atlantis

Sun Ra, Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy

Sun Ra, When Angels Speak of Love

Taylor, Conquistador!

Taylor, The Great Concert of Cecil Taylor

Taylor, The World of Cecil Taylor

Taylor, Unit Structures

Tony Williams Lifetime, Emergency!

Tristano, The New Tristano

Young, Unity



Nov 1, 2011 4:10PM
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There was one vote for Mobley's excellent Soul Station. Nothing else from that list.
Nov 1, 2011 3:55PM
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So did anybody vote for:

Wes Montgomery?
Kenny Burrell?
Hank Mobley?
McCoy Tyner?
Freddie Hubbard?
Nov 1, 2011 3:22PM
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Nice poll Bradley. Looks like I own and voted for the top 2. I know I said I would buy any top 5 finishers I didn't own but I'm backing out on the Miles Box ($150 ouch)

I did order the Mingus, Ayler and Dolphy. I own no Mingus or Dolphy and had never heard of Albert Ayler (sorry). These three should be a great introduction.

Picked up the new Miranda Lambert today, don't let me down girl.

Gotta check out my download of Baboon Moon too, Clapton will have to wait.

Nov 1, 2011 3:16PM
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Here is a stable link to the EW Jazz Poll Results at my Tumblr blog: http://goo.gl/PMYI3.
Nov 1, 2011 3:05PM
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(similarity to Tom's ballot not coincidental, most of what I know about jazz I learned from him, Giddins, and uh Ken Burns)
  1. Jackie McLean: Let Freedom Ring (Blue Note 1962, placed 21st): Some of my favourite art adopts the innovations of the avant-garde, while also demonstrating that the pleasures of the past are still valid. Poet Michael Palmer is one example. This is a better one.
  2. Cecil Taylor: Conquistador (Blue Note 1966, DNP): On the other hand, some innovations can't be absorbed so easily. Taylor's atonal spritzes fall into this category. Schoenberg to Ornette's Stravinsky.
  3. John Coltrane: A Love Supreme (Impulse 1964, 2nd): Thought this would get a bunch of number one votes and win handily. Pretty challenging considering it's the other jazz album everyone has. The secret is the clarity of the structure.
  4. Everybody Knows Johnny Hodges (Impulse 1964, 11th): Tom once put Hodges on top of his all-time alto list. Ornette might have passed him by now. But there's swing, and then there's Hodges.
  5. Amalgam: Prayer for Peace (FMR 1969, 37th): There was no British jazz invasion, but there's more to the scene than exports John McLaughlin and Dave Holland. Who needs a piano?
  6. Miles Davis: Live in Europe 1967 (Columbia/Legacy 1967, 48th): Minus the two tracks I continue to suffer repeated download failures trying to acquire from eMusic. Beats Plugged Nickel for me because the stakes are higher.
  7. John Coltrane: Crescent (Impulse 1964, 54th=): The darkest hour is just before A Love Supreme. Side two shows how good the rest of Trane's band was.
  8. Miles Davis: The Complete Live at the Plugged Nickel (Columbia 1965, 5th): Based on available evidence, the tightest live group in jazz history at their tightest point. Not a weak track in seven discs.
  9. Rahsaan Roland Kirk: Rip, Rig and Panic (Limelight 1965, 16th=): The history of tenor, manzello, stritch, and everything else you can blow into. Also: yet more Elvin Jones.
  10. Eddie Gale: Eddie Gale's Ghetto Music (Blue Note 1968, DNP): From Africa to Brooklyn, from church to stoop, it's all blues.
  11. Duke Ellington: Far East Suite (Bluebird 1966)
  12. John Coltrane: Ole Coltrane (Atlantic 1961)
  13. Duke Ellington Meets Coleman Hawkins (Impulse 1962)
  14. Albert Ayler: Spirits Rejoice (ESP 1965)
  15. Miles Davis: In a Silent Way (Columbia 1969)
  16. Larry Young: Unity (Blue Note 1965)
  17. Andrew Hill: Point of Departure (Blue Note 1964)
  18. John Coltrane: The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings (Impulse 1961)
  19. Krzysztof Komeda: Astigmatic (Power Bros 1965)
  20. Cecil Taylor: The World of Cecil Taylor (Candid 1960)
  21. Hank Mobley: Soul Station (Blue Note 1960)
  22. Thelonious Monk: It's Monk's Time (Columbia/Legacy 1964)
  23. Albert Ayler: Spiritual Unity (ESP 1964)
  24. Archie Shepp: Fire Music (Impulse 1965)
  25. Rahsaan Roland Kirk: Now Please Don't You Cry Beautiful Edith (Verve 1967)
  26. Getz/Gilberto (Verve 1964)
Nov 1, 2011 3:02PM
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As a recognized "major American composer" who was known for doing his own thing even during the height of his swing-era popularity, Ellington has always been sort of an "honorary modernist", someone that even the most outspoken younger players would give respect. ("All musicians should get down on their knees one day to thank Duke Ellington."--Miles Davis) Obviously Duke was no longer an innovator by the 1960's, but he was still very much an experimenter, regularly challenging himself and his band to try different things (The Far East Suite being one of the more successful and enduring examples from the period).
Nov 1, 2011 3:00PM
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My ballot:

  1. Duke Ellington: The Far East Suite (1966, RCA) [18]
  2. John Coltrane: A Love Supreme (1964, Impulse) [16]
  3. Duke Ellington: Meets Coleman Hawkins (1962, Impulse) [12]
  4. Charles Mingus: Mingus at Antibes (1960, Atlantic) [10]
  5. Johnny Hodges: Everybody Knows Johnny Hodges (1964, Impulse) [10]
  6. Sam Rivers: Fuschia Swing Song (1964, Blue Note) [8]
  7. Paul Desmond/Gerry Mulligan: Two of a Mind (1962, RCA) [8]
  8. Albert Ayler: Spiritual Unity (1964, ESP-Disk) [6]
  9. Amalgam: Prayer for Peace (1969, FMR) [6]
  10. Jackie McLean: Let Freedom Ring (1962, Blue Note) [6]
Tried to balance off my swing and avant-garde (antibop?) interests, which worked against the era's greatest hardbop efforts, like Art Blakey's Roots and Herbs, Hank Mobley's Soul Station, Horace Silver's The Jody Grind, Tina Brooks' True Blue, and Lee Morgan's Search for a New Land.

For honorable mentions, start with my Core List: http://goo.gl/6SMWQ

I would probably go deeper than that. In particular, a lot of very good Andrew Hill and Jackie McLean discs got cut there. One artist I should have done some research on was Ornette Coleman: his Atlantics straddle 1959-60 and I'm rusty on the later discs.

The one that's raised the most eyebrows is Amalgam: a Trevor Watts quartet, the first real masterpiece of the burgeoning English avant-garde scene.

One I especially wish I had worked into the ballot somehow was Budd Johnson's Let's Swing. I was pleasantly surprised to see that somone had voted for one of the Earl Hines quartets that featured Johnson: Live at the Village Vanguard. Hines' long out of print Up to Date is every bit as good.

One record I'm surprised didn't fare better is the Wynton Kelly/Wes Montgomery Smokin' at the Half Note; another is John McLaughlin's Extrapolation. Figured we had more guitar fans here. Also, for that matter, Bitches Brew: first jazz record I really listened to, mostly because roommates likes to play it as late night chill out music.


Nov 1, 2011 2:56PM
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I will bravely give some of those top jazz albums in the poll a try. But are they mostly free-form, bee-boppy, improvisational jazz noodling? Cuz mostly that stuff makes me feel like biting the head off a bat, or doing something, anything, to stop the pain. But I'm tryin' Lord, I'm tryin'.

Peter - I'm guessing that you've heard some avant-garde/free jazz (probably not bebop) and not liked what you've heard. I'd say very little of the Top Ten of this poll approaches those boundaries.  A few do, though - the Ayler is trio work, but Ayler will probably not be to your taste. The Dolphy is "out," but hardly noodling - pretty structured. The Mingus might seem a bit discursive to you. But I'd give all a try, except maybe the Ayler, if you're really opposed to free.

Nov 1, 2011 2:54PM
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now..that Marsalis guy...there is a polarizing figure in jazz. Conservative to a fault. Technically proficient but lacking warmth? He's definitely important. Very prolific. Extremely ambitious. His talent is undeniable. Citi Movement, Blood on the Fields and In This House, On This Morning are as epic in scale as any of the Ellington suites and yet I find that I just don't care. I dig Black Codes from the Underground and the early Live at Blues Alley which is a hot, sweaty set and that's about it. Also, he has brought out the worst in Stanley Crouch. All that said, I'm looking forward to the A minus above.
Nov 1, 2011 2:52PM
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Thanks, Bradley. My scanning skills deteriorate with each passing day .... and I LIKE Money Jungle , but seeing it that high may have blinded me :)
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Hey, I own (and enjoy) 3 of the finishers (more than I expected!): In A Silent Way, Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, Blues and the Abstract Truth. Some of the individual ballots are pretty intriguing - I need to follow up on this.
Nov 1, 2011 2:34PM
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Voters wrote in seven of his albums total, with only Ellington and John Coltrane and Featuring Paul Gonsalves not getting more than one vote. To be honest, I was surprised he was so well represented

 

Duke Ellington and His Orchestra featuring Paul Gonsalves (Fantasy 1984) made my list.

 

Bradley - Feel free to post my ballot - I'm out of town and don't have access to my sent email until late tonight.

Nov 1, 2011 2:33PM
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Here is my ballot

1 - Miles Davis - In A Silent Way
2 - Thelonious Monk - Monk
3 - John Coltrane - Live At The Village Vanguard
4 - Miles Davis - Nefertiti
5 - Ornette Coleman - At The Golden Circle Stockholm Vol 1
6 - Charles Mingus - Mingus at Antibes
7 - Sonny Rollins - The Bridge
8 - Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
9 - Dexter Gordon - Our Man In Paris
10 - Oscar Peterson - Night Train
Those are my top ten. I couldn't possibly grade them so I went blanket 10s across the board
HM:
Johnny Coles - Little Johnny C
Jackie McLean - Bluesnik, Destination Out
Wayne Shorter - Juju
Horace Silver - Song For My Father
Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
Dexter Gordon - Go, Swingin Affair...all the Blue Notes really
Coltrane - well Coltrane is Coltrane although I still can't get into Ascension or Om
All the Ornette Atlantics
Thanks Bradley again for the poll.
Nov 1, 2011 2:21PM
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I will bravely give some of those top jazz albums in the poll a try. But are they mostly free-form, bee-boppy, improvisational jazz noodling? Cuz mostly that stuff makes me feel like biting the head off a bat, or doing something, anything, to stop the pain. But I'm tryin' Lord, I'm tryin'.



Nov 1, 2011 2:16PM
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Five Ellington albums got at least two votes; two are in the Top 10.  Pretty amazing considering the young punks and avant-gardists surrounding him.

I also count five from Coltrane and five from Davis.
Nov 1, 2011 2:16PM
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Guess my only surprise was the Ellington band receiving small change .... and Money Jungle as his best 60s work
Actually, Meets Coleman Hawkins was ranked higher, so that makes two albums in the top 10, and three in the top 20 (or four if you count Johnny Hodges). Voters wrote in seven of his albums total, with only Ellington and John Coltrane and Featuring Paul Gonsalves not getting more than one vote. To be honest, I was surprised he was so well represented.
Nov 1, 2011 2:09PM
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Thanks Bradley.

My ballot:

(alphabetical order, no artist repeats, 10 points each)

 

Albert Ayler – Spiritual Unity

Don Cherry/Ed Blackwell – Mu (first and second sessions)

Ornette Coleman – Ornette!

John Coltrane – A Love Supreme

Miles Davis – Complete Plugged Nickel Sessions

Duke Ellington/Charles Mingus/Max Roach-Money Jungle

Booker Ervin – Freedom Book

Ella Fitzgerald – Twelve Nights in Hollywood

Thelonious Monk – Live at the “It” Club

Cecil Taylor – Nefertiti, The Beautiful One Has Come

 

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