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Cotton Mather/Oasis

Oh--You Mean Those Beatles

By Xgau Apr 13, 2012 5:37AM

Cotton Mather: Kontiki (Deluxe Edition) (Star Apple Kingdom)

Pieced together in 1997 from impulsively conceived, doggedly recorded scraps of DAT and four-track by Austin mastermind Robert Harrison and a Memphis tape wizard who loved how Big Star the band was, Cotton Mather's second album caught the attention of some British Beatles fanatics d/b/a Oasis, who brought them over to open and even generated some U.K. sales. While allowing his vocal resemblance to "John Lennon with a Southern accent and a head cold," Harrison's extensive notes don't cite the Beatles much even though "My Before and After" resembles "Ticket to Ride" more than its supposed inspiration "(Reach Out) I'll Be There" and "Private Ruth" echoes "For No One" straight up. Harrison is no more a genius than Noel Gallagher, so though the lyrics aren't spaced-out gibberish or obvious pap, they're unequal to the music‑-which definitely beats, for instance, the last three songs on the first Big Star album, and even more remarkable, kind of makes you appreciate Oasis. (N.B.: I'm recommending the Deluxe because it's new and much cheaper, not because I expect ever to listen to its alternates and new ones for anything except the research I presume is now complete.)  B PLUS

 

Oasis: Stop the Clocks (Sony BMG '06)

One of the many things I never got about this band was where the Beatles were. Where was the ebullience, the wit, the harmonies, God just the singing, and, uh, the songwriting? Cotton Mather made me understand that when Oasis say they love the Beatles they really mean they love the post-Help!, pre-Sgt. Pepper Beatles. Since that span encompasses Rubber Soul and Revolver, many would say tally ho, but (a) not me 'cause I love the Beatles start to finish and (b) only if you're writing songs as good as, uh, "We Can Work It Out." Instead Oasis, meaning loudmouth bro Noel Gallagher, write songs that resemble "We Can Work It Out" in thickened texture and momentum but not depth or charm, then add arena size in the swagger of the drums and the bigged-up vocals themselves. This band-selected best-of‑-two discs lasting 87 minutes, like an old-fashioned double-LP except it's only 18 tracks‑-capture their sonic moment as fully as any freelance music historian needs. A 2010 package repeats 11 of these songs and adds 16 others‑-too many, I say. Also, it omits the opening "Rock 'n' Roll Star." If ever there were guys whose message to the world is summed up by an opener called "Rock 'n' Roll Star," it's these bigheads. B PLUS

 

267Comments
Apr 15, 2012 2:06PM
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About once a week I read a post and think 'This person just got ripped and is now trolling us hardcore.' 60% of the time that person is xgau. 
Apr 15, 2012 1:00PM
Apr 15, 2012 12:44PM
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Hairy Irene schools Alex Wilson in re: S-E-X. How do we promote this titanic exchange???? New discrete users, here we come!!


Apr 15, 2012 10:44AM
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Ryan: Greg T. is probably right so you may need to do as much promoting of the album itself in the proposal as of you the writer. Pull quotes from reviews, poll rankings, references from other musicians, comparisons to other successful albums or artists already included in the 33 1/3 series, connecting the Wrens album-making history to a discussion of the industry.

And here's wishing you good luck!
Apr 15, 2012 10:42AM
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Patrick is most definitely correct that Big Star were too far below the radar to register as either cool or uncool. I remember reading the RS/Bud Scoppa #1 Record review that Milo cites and putting them in the gotta-keep-an-eye-out-for-that file, but I never actually saw a copy of the thing until I was lucky enough to run across a used copy in 77 or so (I didn't find a copy of Radio City until much later). Stooges/MC5/Dolls, on the other hand, had something closely resembling national distribution, and lemme tell ya, cool people hated them. And I don't mean Humble Pie fans (Patrick's right--fcuk 'em); I mean Allman Bros. fans, Eric Clapton devotees, fcuking Leon Russell enthusiasts, Stones fans, Mahavishnuites, Santanamaniacs. The dirtbag triumvirate were an affront to everything the cool people liked (Lester Bangs--"tasty licks and all that Traffic twaddle"), and the cool people weren't shy about saying so.

Apr 15, 2012 9:45AM
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Danielle, I was joking, in part, too. At work so will edit this later. :)
Apr 15, 2012 9:33AM
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Greg: absolutely noted, and thank you. I figured Meadowlands had enough of a cult to maybe stand a chance. But at the moment, there's no other album I want or am in a better position to write about, especially since I'm in currently contact with/proximity to/love with the band. Giving a Meadowlands proposal for this particular submission window a careful and well-considered shot means slightly more to me than simply getting the chance to write any old 33 1/3 -- which is not to say I won't try again next time around as long as I'm trying to write about music, and will probably take popularity-of-selection into better consideration on that occasion. (In fact, I'd probably want to write about The Meadowlands regardless, but the 33 1/3 thing gives me the opportunity to justify the crucial element of bothering the band, plus puts helpful constraints on my economy-thirsty writing on accounta the books' characteristic concision.) But again, thank you, and you're probably right.
Apr 15, 2012 9:29AM
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Yes, Bob and Milo are correct, I conflated Lester's internal confusion about Fun House ("Good God, enough of that shitlist! The Stooges suck!" was a momentary reaction in "Of Pop and Pies and Fun") with his justly famous MC5 review that I don't believe I've ever read. I learned about Bob's experience at that Stooges show from Lester also. ("Robert Christgau wrote of fleeing a room where the Stooges were playing with a pounding headache, desperate to get away from them.") So, that's what led me to conclude that there was some degree of disgust involved, even if I should know that Lester could be an unreliable reporter.

And yet Will Rigby wrote that he and his dBs buddies had the only copy of the "In the Street" single (which still exists!) in the state of North Carolina, so I go with Patrick about Big Star.
Apr 15, 2012 9:07AM
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Ryan- I can tell how important this is to you-all respect.

The only thing I figure they may want is something more commercial.

After all they want to sell this series not just print it.

 

Apr 15, 2012 9:02AM
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Oh my word Alex please stop before my spinning eyeballs roll right out of my head. 

1. I can't tell if you could tell I was joking or not. Orgasm=coming/cumming (whatever your spelling preference). Female ejaculation/squirting usually isn't referred to as cumming bc it's something that coincides w orgasm but only sometimes/for some people. To echo Nicky but a little more concretely this time, orgasm:squirting::rectangle:square. 

2. You're right that it isn't nice per se to laugh about a fumbling man but it's far from being a terrible double standard IMO. Men's sexual practices boast a time-honored tendency to be dick-centric and not terribly pleasurable to women. Combine that with widespread assumptions that they're doin it right/their women are getting off on everything they do/those absurd porn moves feel good/etc...and you end up with something quite laughable. In the sense that if you don't laugh, you'll cry. 
Apr 15, 2012 8:56AM
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Oxford American Dictionary- orgasm- "the climax of sexual excitement"-hope we cleared that up.
Apr 15, 2012 7:44AM
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So between these six-day, 50+ hour weeks installing and servicing sprinklers across suburban New Jersey, I’ve been hard (but not hard enough) at work on my own attempt at a 33 1/3 proposal. I’m giving my fair shot at The Meadowlands, since a) I ****ing adore the Wrens and have been absorbing their very manageable discography for months and months, b) I’m right here in New Jersey, still despondent about my own sense of failure and working a manual labor grind between sessions of pretending I’m a songwriter, and c) 2013 will be the album’s tenth anniversary, so it all just sort of feels right. And truly, what with all the Wrens songs about post-adolescent misery and the inability to self-motivate (plus those couple of dropped references to rock-splitting), I’ve rarely felt closer to a single artist’s music. (I mean, I don't always relate to the Go-Betweens' deeply felt watercolor poetry).

 

Most of you are probably thinking, “uh-oh, Ryan’s in over his head again (naturally)”. And I’m perfectly aware that the publishers of the series are probably pretty selective, and that a guy with nary a CV credit bar his whatever-it-is blog and a few months of volunteer writing at a shitty DFW weekly (though they loved me!) stands a significantly slim chance at even being momentarily mulled by [whoever just bought the series]. In fact, Charles Bissell divulged to me via e-mail that he himself has been turned down by those guys: "I had submitted proposals for some 33 1/3 possibilities a few years back but they were all given the 'what else do you have in mind?' stamp. 'Til Tuesday, ok, I can see why, but I'd also submitted Slanted & Enchanted, Exile in Guyville, the 2nd Springsteen album...”

 

Still, I can’t help but feeling that maybe some of the compliments I’ve gotten around here might mean something (the dangers of praising young people with undeveloped potential!), and really, if that clown who did the Wowee Zowee book can get it, a proposal is at least worth trying. But with a touch over two weeks to go ‘til I send it in, I should probably stifle my embarrassment and open up the question to this ever-invaluable community: could anybody here who knows just a little bit more about this kind of thing (i.e. everybody) give me whatever general advice comes to mind about maybe increasing my odds here? Because truth be told, however unlikely, I really do want this opportunity.

 

Cheers & love,

Me, the misser, the late

Apr 15, 2012 5:08AM
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Stooges: After Chicago 68 Ellen Willis and I went to Detroit and holed up in a motel where Ellen wrote what turned out to be an important piece, I think for New American Review. A few nights we hung with what was just then becoming the Creem crowd--don't even remember who, probably Barry Kramer and Dave Marsh were involved, but not sure. One night we saw the Stooges in a disused church. I wrote later that we hid under the pews but I think that was a metaphor. Certainly thought the theatrics weren't justified by the songs, which still seems like a reasonable judgment to me. Also don't recall whether we left early, but it wouldn't have been in disgust. Disinterest, maybe--we sure didn't think they were the future of rock and roll. As for Lester, that was the first MC-5 album for RS, which he later came to admire.


Apr 15, 2012 5:03AM
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A quick note to say thanks for birthday wishes--here and on FB--I really appreciate it.  It was a lovely day.

OK, now you young folks can go back to talking about sex.   Play safe! And please don't text and drive. 



Apr 15, 2012 3:25AM
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So much valuable information on this forum...

Thanks for listening Irene, glad you enjoyed it.  I'm not the most fluent Irish speaker in the world but I can get by talking between records.

Picnic sex might be a good theme for a show, plenty of good stuff mentioned below.  My pick would be James Brown, can't remember which song it is, "I got ants in my pants and I need to dance!"



Apr 15, 2012 2:21AM
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LOL, Danielle! I am not trying to brag; I just think this faking thing is a bit of a cliche, but, hay, maybe someone's faked with me--who knows? So cumming is fake; orgasming is real. Ah, OK, that makes COMPLETE, biological sense! I find it quite insulting, that girls can get away, with giggling about a man not being able, to make them cum--sorry, orgasm--while, if a man laughed, about a woman being poor in bed, they'd be a crude brute. Double standards. But, hay ho, we have to be men, and suck it up. Not like a man has feelings, Lordy! :p

Sorry, Joey, I thumbsed you down! (iPhone keeps doing this!!)
Apr 15, 2012 1:51AM
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This has always puzzled me: Is an orgasm cumming, or is it something else entirely (movies often depict an orgasm, to be an other-worldly thing.) If it is, indeed, what females refer to as cumming, I don't think it's hard, to make a girl cum (but, hay, that's just me--haha).
To quote Bob Marley, "so much things to say right now." But where to begin???

For being so assured in your ability, you're awfully unclear on key points. So here's the deal: cumming is when a girl is faking it, whereas orgasm is when it's real. We're living in a century of fakers after all.
Apr 15, 2012 1:29AM
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This has always puzzled me: Is an orgasm cumming, or is it something else entirely (movies often depict an orgasm, to be an other-worldly thing.) If it is, indeed, what females refer to as cumming, I don't think it's hard, to make a girl cum (but, hay, that's just me--haha). Are we including squirting here? Stop me, when you've had enough. Anyone eating their cereal yet? I think I've mistaken this for a lad's forum!
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Apr 15, 2012 1:28AM
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All lizards are reptiles, but not all reptiles are lizards. I believe the same principle holds for cumming and orgasming. 
Apr 15, 2012 1:23AM
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ALEX. WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN.

7-9 referred to minutes, dearie.

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Starting in 1967, Robert Christgau has covered popular music for The Village Voice, Esquire, Blender, Playboy, Rolling Stone, and many other publications. He teaches in New York University's Clive Davis Department of Recorded Music, maintains a comprehensive website at robertchristgau.com, and has published five books based on his journalism. He has written for MSN Music since 2006.

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