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Neil Young With Crazy Horse/Rhett Miller

Two American Singer-Songwriters Make Albums With Their On-and-Off Road Bands

By Xgau Jun 12, 2012 9:31AM
 

Neil Young With Crazy Horse: Americana (Reprise)

Crazy Horse yam what they yam. You don't like them, take a hike. For all its evocation of war-dance tom-toms, Ralph Molina's thudding beat could just as easily have inspired Young's endnote about the civilization their namesake "detested": "the footsteps of the white man stamped more and more across the land." In this they resemble, of all things, the United States of America, which has been steamrollering its own past for as long as there've been steamrollers. In vivid contrast to the sanctimonious musicianly overkill of Springsteen's Pete Seeger tribute, Young's overkill leads with its middle finger by ignoring the catchiest tune of the 19th century, the traditional melody of "Oh Susannah." But read Young's annotations and learn that this rewrite was itself concocted 50 years ago by forgotten folkie Tim Rose‑-and then wake up the next morning to learn that it has staying power of its own. Almost every song messes with you that way because almost every song is messed with and almost every song renewed. "This Land Is Your Land" advocates trespassing. "Get a Job" is accounted "a genuine folk song with all of the true characteristics." "God Save the Queen" rhymes "politics" and "dirty tricks." Boom, boom, boom, boom. Sha-na-na-na-na. A

 

Rhett Miller: The Dreamer (Maximum Sunshine)

Miller fashions his excellent tunes within such a narrow melodic compass that it always takes too long for the new ones to get sorted, and the Nashville-trad self-production on his fourth solo album doesn't sharpen their outlines much. But as usual the songs come clear eventually, starting with a Ben Kweller collab bearing the aptly ominous title "Lost Without You." It's not the winner here because the lyric could be stronger, which cannot be said of "Complicated Man" or "As Close as I Came to Being Right," not to mention the miserable "Out of Love." Consider those titles. That's why I said ominous. B PLUS

 

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Aug 25, 2012 10:24PM
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What about Le Noise? The only Neil studio release since ATGR you haven't reviewed. Piece of Crap or great electronic solo album? The Xgau completists need to know...and the Neil ones too.
Jun 16, 2012 6:18PM
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Totally agree, Robert. Here's Part 1 of a long essay I wrote about NY and Crazy Horse earlier this year:
http://beyondthepale-glitch.blogspot.com/2012/02/neil-young-and-crazy-horse-part-1.html
Jun 15, 2012 8:21PM
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I've often been irritated by how difficult it is to re-trace past comments and discussions. So I thought I'd make a not-necessarily-exhaustive summary of the topics raised in this thread. Unless I change my mind I'll try to do this every time from now on.

In roughly chronological order from first related post:

·         Neil Young and several subtopics

o   Goofiness

o   American or Canadian

o   Americana

o   Negative critical reactions

o   Etc. etc.

·         Che’s trolling, validity of grading system, definition of intelligence

·         Musical geniuses, lists thereof

·         Jazz gigs in NY

·         Lady Gaga’s use of the word “retarded”

·         Loud concerts

·         Wussy shows

·         Rhett Miller’s productivity

·         Prince’s significance as an artist

·         Other worthy Canadians

·         The Weakerthans

·         Favourite concerts, disco moments, moments on public transport

·         Role of artist—“creation” v. “interpretation”

·         Emigration of artists & public figures (John Lennon & his resentment in England, W.H. Auden, Major Tom Eliot)

·         Restrictions on student protests in Canada

·         Jefferson piece re significance of Jay-Z, Kanye West & Watch the Throne

·         Rhett Miller’s psyche/art

·         RC’s honourable mention of the Vivian Girls

·         MSN censorship troubles

·         Golf

·         JY collector’s corner questions

·         Definition of musical “meaning” in re Nirvana

·         "Fifty Country Songs That Don't Suck"

·         Importance of understanding lyrics (artists whose lyrics diminish their work, lyrics in foreign languages)

·         Badfinger

Jun 15, 2012 1:33PM
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Sh*tty timing, Rhett.

P.S. Sorry guys, but Badfinger is for fools.
Jun 15, 2012 6:12AM
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A couple of points I believe but cannot prove enough for more than blog informality:

 

The resistance to Americana shocks me because it disdains the very qualities that make the album a rock-and-roll work: its defiance of the usual routine and its bold format; its bending of tradition that is neither pandering nor mere novelty; how much it understands that it's not a matter of playing the wrong notes but the right wrong notes (sure, "Get a Job" is a technical strain for these guys, but this is an inspired cover choice and these guys connect to the material better than a hundred more precise renditions would); its general on-target goofiness, if you will.The objections sound not at all unlike the antique gripes that the Platters had no business covering "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes."

 

Rhett Miller's "Lost Without You" is a coded disappointment-with-Obama number.

 

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Taking Sides: Badfinger vs The Go-Betweens
Jun 15, 2012 2:19AM
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Not a particular artist, and not so much "unlikely" as "regrettable," but I've had this answer a long time: The lyrics seriously undermine Appetite for Destruction for me.  Post-punk Aerosmith should be right up my alley, but the words keep it from being half as much fun as, say, Rocks.  Jane’s Addiction should get a mention here too.

Jun 15, 2012 2:05AM
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Joe Levy -- I always thought one of the reasons Kurt killed himself (besides bipolar disorder and heroin addiction, I mean) was because there were millions of people who liked to sing along to all his pretty songs but they "don't know what it mean."  For every one person who bought that record because it hit a nerve, I'm betting there were at least ten more who bought it "just because."  At least, that's how I've always thought.

Jun 15, 2012 1:47AM
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Badfinger are certainly not one of the worst bands of all time -- merely one of the most ordinary/overrated/etc.  However: "We're for the Dark," the final song on No Dice, gives me chills.  It's a banal song, I suppose...but Pete Ham's suicide has always darknened its context for me.
Jun 14, 2012 11:35PM
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Badfinger one of the worst bands of all time? Pistols at dawn, suh!
Jun 14, 2012 9:28PM
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Since having the great Joe Levy chime in on an ongoing discussion is reward enough for me, I'll just note that my original confusion with Kenny' s thought-provoking post wasn't over whether a band like Nirvana carries any "meaning" or not. It was more questioning whether "meaning" alone can really be considered a separate thing between major and minor artists. Any good (or bad, depending on your sympathies) pop theorist could opine at length on the wide-reaching cultural meaning of, I don't know, Jobriath or Jean-Michel Jarre (although I realise to a certain world market, Jarre is as mega as they come). What sinks or buoys those artists for me has a lot more to do with their immediate artistic choices - like Nirvana hitting the top of the charts due to their hard rock riffs and pop hooks, not so much their alienation, which was just gravy (world historic gravy, but still). Which actually dovetails nicely with Levy's Chic / ABBA / Elton John mega-cheer, to which I'll gladly raise my own glass. And hope out loud that he posts more often.
Jun 14, 2012 8:07PM
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“What’s with all the haters?"

My guess is that someone renowned for their songwriting will usually get dismissed for an album of cover songs, particularly of songs often assigned to a grade school choir. “Oh Susannah”? “This Land is Your Land”? “God Save the Queen” and it’s not the Pistols one? And don’t tell me "Get a Job” is that 50s novelty song … And there are no Neil songs here, so you have no choice but to deal with the backing band, and Crazy Horse have more than their share of detractors. In the Neil Young bio Shakey, even Bob Dylan is cited as knocking them, telling Young he deserves a better band. (To which Neil replies something like, “Yes Bob, but they would be good enough for you.”)

If Crazy Horse were a baseball player, they would be batting cleanup - neither fast nor graceful, but they’ve got that swagger and they swing for the fences.
Jun 14, 2012 8:05PM
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Going to the county fair right now. Fairgrounds are literally less than a mile from where I live. Will review the Grand Champion Steer, will ride the Tilt-a-Whirl and the Matterhorn -- if my daughter makes me. Will report back if wings appear.
Jun 14, 2012 7:43PM
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I've sometimes wondered if with different lyrics the hallowed-in-certain-circles Badfinger might go from being one of the very worst bands of all time to enjoyable at a level comparable to swan-song/hits-disc Raspberries (which is of course very enjoyable indeed).
Jun 14, 2012 7:19PM
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Thought of a wordless-boost artist for me -- Kate Bush. But she's not an ideal example because I know I already like aspects of her work -- and I would want about 25% of her lyrics to remain unchanged. But if she sang the rest in esperanto, she'd be a major fave, I suspect.

On a more topical topic ... I think it will be quite tough to keep this Neil Young out of the Top 10 this year ... but yikes! I see the album only gets two stars from the Rolling Stone community, which I imagined would be an easy-peasy for Young. And there's lots of complaints floating around. So I'm getting defensive heah -- what's with all the haters?

Jun 14, 2012 6:07PM
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[Note that this was outlined but not written before Joe Levy’s contribution. It overlaps with what he said, from a different angle.]


Jason,


First: something I did unintentionally that you caused me to reflect on. Bob Dylan and Nirvana are conspicuous examples. Both found the meaning-creation process that they and their audience engaged in completely unbearable, leading Dylan to hide from and misdirect his audience to the greatest extent he could work out, and Cobain to kill himself. Whatever else this means, it clearly means that the artist is not in control of her/his own meanings. The artist has intention, but there’s no special reason to believe that that intention has any force, once the work is out there.


That said: meaning is made at the intersection of the text (sorry, my training is in European theory) and the society that both produces and consumes it (and in marxism).


So, in regard to Nirvana, the only example you gave. It is trivial to write a simple one or two paragraph summation of the set of meanings created out of their oeuvre: mall products as the standard of smell; the ironic demand to “entertain us”; the ironic demand to “rape me”; etc. These add up. They mean something. You can write this essay as easily as I can.


Of course it is also easy to find fault with any such one or two paragraph summation: the formula, once written down, is much less than the body of the work, much less than its full “meaning.” But such fault finding is silly and trivial, as though it wouldn’t be possible to find fault with any summary of anything. The summary is not the meaning; if it’s a good summary, it’s a useful approximation of the meaning.


The point about Prince is not that one couldn’t also summarize his work. One can and one should. The point is that once summarized, it looks sillier – and unintentionally so (since silliness is not in itself a bad thing). Whether or not this is important in a critical evaluation of the music a matter of your tastes and mine.

Jun 14, 2012 6:05PM
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Milo's question is outrageously fun.  My mind went in a few different directions--but mostly towards late 60s/early 70s California (country) rock.  I have been listening a bit obsessively to John Phillips' first solo record, which I think is good all the way through--though I really wish I could change one key awful word in "April Annie."  So not him. But there are plenty of early Eagles songs I could like a lot better with less awful words.   And just so as not to promote an anti-Southern California bias (since I just spent a lovely three days in L.A.) let me say that "Jack Straw" would also be top of this list for me.


Jun 14, 2012 6:01PM
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Here's an informative interview with Crazy Horse guitarist Frank "Poncho" Sampedro: http://goo.gl/YUbuL

Highlights include the news that Neil had Crazy Horse convene every full moon to record Americana  and that there's a half-hour, two-chord jam that is the basis of something else they're working on.

Jun 14, 2012 4:09PM
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"Milo: how about pre-So Peter Gabriel?"

Oh, you mean is this somebody I might like if I didn't know the words?

Not Genesis, that's for sure, but otherwise kind of a good question -- I remember liking solo Gabriel a lot more than Bob for the first couple-three titles and thought "Sledgehammer" made perfect fodder for visuals. But it must mean something that I haven't had the urge to play him in I don't know how many years.
Jun 14, 2012 3:30PM
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"In either case, I'm not sure what Nirvana's 'meaning' or 'meanings' was/were. Or how those meanings would differ from those of lesser or just non-mega artists." 

Wait. What? I know I'm coming in the middle, but isn't this like saying you're not really sure how black looks? Or how it differs from white? 

I mean, really. When alienation tops the charts it has meaning. It means something different — something major — than when the same sort of alienation doesn't top the charts, or connect with a mass audience. 

As for mega artists having meaning per se — feh. I like meaning as much as the next guy, more probably, but it's not a necessity, and pretending it is leaves out pop and dance, and who would want to do that? Chic? Mega!  ABBA. Mega! Elton John. Mega! 
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Robert Christgau

Starting in 1967, Robert Christgau has covered popular music for The Village Voice, Esquire, Blender, Playboy, Rolling Stone, and many other publications. He teaches in New York University's Clive Davis Department of Recorded Music, maintains a comprehensive website at robertchristgau.com, and has published five books based on his journalism. He has written for MSN Music since 2006.

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