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Deerhunter/Best Coast

Amerindie Atmospheres

By Xgau Jan 14, 2011 9:29AM

 

Deerhunter: Halcyon Digest (4AD)

Smart young people have been telling me about this band since 2007, and I've been shrugging just as long. Give their big breakthrouygh a few plays and, unless you're the right kind of smart young person, you'll shrug too. Though you'll notice some tunes and also toward the end some committed tenor sax, and though there are those who praise its OK lyrics, it's still an arty indie-rock texturama. Only then give it more time than seems altogether fair and you'll find that this texturama has sufficient structure to assure that eventually the tunes and then the saxophone and then even the sound effects will signify and lift you up. Conceive it as DJ electronica that makes its point, starting all partial and halting before gathering itself to a properly modest climax. Except that it's played by a live band. And has OK lyrics. Smart, nothing‑-pretty darned intelligent. A MINUS

 

Best Coast: Crazy for You (Mexican Summer)

Bethany Cosentino believes romance is a myth‑-not a lie, a myth, like Sisyphus. That's why she decks her deliberately simple tunes in echo effects that also obscure the specificity of her already multi-tracked singing voice, why "weed" is damn near the only concrete noun on the entire record unless that burning ball of gas in the sky counts. Musically, the idea is to recreate the Beach Boys' aura 50 years later. Thematically, it's to prove that she's a postmodern girl who knows better. The catch is that through all her generalizations it soon becomes clear that she needs that guy much more than a postmodern girl is supposed to. Too bad she can't pin it down and also can't pin him down. I blame the weed. A MINUS

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Jan 19, 2011 10:12PM
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Dear Cam: I have so little interest in and knowledge of music blogs that I have no idea what your strategic analysis even means. Goosing? Gain? What? I was given the opportunity to make a little money keeping up with music I want to keep up with in this frequent-post format and figured out how to make it make sense to me. Had no idea the comments would be this extensive or intelligent. But for me writing is work and, as I expect to explain on my NAJP blog soon too, a professional writer has a lot more to lose making a quick comment that doesn't hold water or makes some factual gaffe than the typical blog commenter. So how long or how much I comment here remains to be seen. My NYU class starts in another week, which generally means three-and-a-half months of 80-hour weeks. Expect to hear less for me, and hope the records hold out, which is not statistically likely--although I do seem to find more doing it this way, where I change the parameters a little more readily and have more time to go for broke and also get the occasional tip from you guys.
Jan 18, 2011 8:23PM
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As an appendix, I'm making an implication about a choice that might not have been there. I haven't had my morning tea yet.
Jan 18, 2011 8:18PM
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Duke-- I gotcha. Who would have ever thought this would happen? I subscribed to the Village Voice from 1982 until they cancelled Xgau, for the sole reason of keeping up with him. Maybe he lost his meter in that environment, that's certainly what the creeps who own the paper think. But that also allows us to look at this new environment in a fresh way.

Xgau has a lot to gain by goosing the folks who follow this blog early on. It's a fact in this medium, and there's no moral judgment attached. But I don't think that's what's happening right now. If there is a mistake, it's that he didn't jump more crisply off the once-a-month bandwagon a long time ago.

Jan 18, 2011 7:36PM
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Joey: I think you and Joe Levy (Christgau too) are saying the same thing -- dig deeper and the meaning eventually comes clear.  That's frequently the make or break issue with artists so we'll see how it plays out for me here.  No faux-listening for me!!!

 

And BTW, I'm not so arrogant as to think that my solo opinion of LCD Soundsystem actually means anything in the greater scheme of things.  As much as anything, it just bugs me when I don't get what other people get.

 

You'll hear more when I surface finally.

 

Thanks.

 

GM

 

 

 

 

Jan 18, 2011 6:23PM
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London Sessions is actually a pretty solid place to go.  Sound Of Silver is the great work, but if you're looking to find the groove, it's front and center there.
Jan 18, 2011 3:50PM
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Joey/Mark/Joe:  Having spent more on LCD Soundsystem in the last 24 hours than in the previous days of my life combined, now all I have to do is find the time to digest it.  Something in Mark's comment about the "live" London Sessions sent me there first, so wish me luck.

 

And Joe especially, that is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for.  If I'm missing something then I'd like to know exactly what to look for.  Since "insincere sounding" is potentially much different from truly insincere, I'll concentrate there. 

 

And I also did like I always do and went back to Christgau's assessments.  These sentences are helpful too, "So I gave the lyrics some time and got somewhere with them. . . . But I reserve my love for Murphy's post-cynicism--romantic regrets and longings . . . , he reaccesses the humanist inside him as if that's every hipster's right--which it pretty much is."

 

Thanks.

 

GM

Jan 18, 2011 3:33PM
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You know what I mean. Yes, 'project-wannabe' - I assure you there are people dumb enough to want to live in the projects. You'll find half of them in, the comments of, any one Tupac Youtube video. You're just pissed I said you were wrong about Courtney Love, now, admit it! ;p
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Uh, un-zing, dude. I've had plenty of clients in the projects in Tampa who have computers and internet access.

"project-wannabe" = One who wishes he/she was low-rent housing?

(maybe the project-wannabe's papa is a rodeo and their mama is a rock and roll band?)

Jan 18, 2011 2:49PM
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Joe - the things you mentioned you would not like to be 'sincere' - are they not sincere in the fact that they are all saying '**** you' (yeah, I know that's a stretch!)?! I feel that he is still too involved in the (at least, nowadays) childish 'scene' to really comment on it in any smart way - otherwise it wouldn't be every song? The Dolls wrote songs about the scene but they didn't hang on to it like James Murphy does.

Duke - just wait till some hipster ****-heads/project-wannabes (who can afford a computer in the projects, let alone pay for internet - zing!) Google 'Christgau sucks' and find this..! :/ :p
Jan 18, 2011 1:09PM
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Why anyone would think LCD Soundsystem is insincere is baffling to me. Insincere in what way? Certainly he means for his music to be ecstatic (or brooding, as the case may be). So his lyrics are supposed to be insincere? Or his vocals? Only they're not. His great subjects are the difficulty of human connection and difficulty of maintaining your place in the scene, which he does not separate from the difficulties of getting older or maintaining your place in the world — in other worlds, utterly relatable whether you care about the scene or not, provided you want to relate. I'd say he's more Eno than Bowie obsessed, BTW, but utterly rocks.

I dunno. Sincerity isn't a standard I'd want applied to the Stones, or Bowie, or Pavement, or the Ramones, or Seinfeld.

Jan 18, 2011 8:26AM
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Walter:  The "96 Tears" reference is too much to ignore.  Because for me, it went from exactly that to "Gloria" to "Brown Eyed Girl" (with "Here Comes The Night" in there also) to Astral Weeks.  At which point the visceral kick was multiplied by an emotional connection that a) expanded the visceral kick into previously uncharted territory, and b) has never left.  Moondance cinched it and life was never the same.

 

GM

Jan 18, 2011 7:55AM
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Walter - Thank you! :p I don't over analyse most things - there are certain albums that just 'kick' for me too - like, 'The Indestructible Beat of Soweto', 'Marquee Moon', 'Wild Gift' etc. I do like discussing things though - sometimes a little more than some people like! :p (Not being arsey) 12 & 22 is a big difference - even, 21 & 22 can be a big difference, depending on your enviroment etc. I like the hook to '96 Tears' but I'm not so sure I dig the singing..?

Oh, lol - I just got your ticket joke..! ¬.¬ :p
Jan 18, 2011 7:53AM
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 I have a hard time with LCD Soundsystem too. I find Murphy not so much insincere but detached and a bit arch. But I do admit that I enjoy his best stuff quite a bit as both background and foreground. I do think he's a smart guy. I do enjoy the coldness and do hear very much a "German period" Bowie influence as well as Talking Heads circa the Eno years. Hmm..maybe Eno is the real influence here.  I think I should catch a live show. That might humanize things a bit. That new "live" disc "London Sessions" hints that there is probably a very good live band in there. Definitely a groove band in that minimalist way. Track one "Us v Them" is killer. Oh..I find that I play Bowie's "Low" much more than "Station To Station" as I get older. It's my Bowie of choice.
Jan 18, 2011 6:54AM
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Agreed - 'Station to Station' is a good album but not listened to often - if at all! 'Faux-listening' means listening in a certain way - that is - if something sounds a certain way e.g. 'deep', 'arty', 'provocative' etc (when it's, really, dumb) and calling it brilliant - but, not actually listening to the song-writing skill, not properly identifying the artist etc. A great example is, of course, Radiohead and Amy Winehouse - she is not Jazz, she is not brilliant. That may sound (and, probably is) narcissistic but there's no other way to explain it.
Jan 18, 2011 6:43AM
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4 stars for Station to Station. Admired for quality yet stays untouched on the shelf for long periods of time.

 

Joey -- Thanks for the effort.  I'll keep trying as well.

 

GM

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"faux-listening" = they're pretending to be listening but they're really not? Or they're listening ironically? Or not listening in the correct, approved manner?

 

Jan 18, 2011 5:46AM
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Joey - sign into your hotmail and make a profile and you will be able to edit your posts! ;p

Gmort - I agree, I am not much of a Bowie fan - the albums I do like tend to be very spacey so not easy listening, for me (and, thanks for the thumbs up! ;p).

Joey, again - I don't think that people find him insincere - it's more that he's not, actually, as smart as he thinks he is - nor is he as smart as so many faux-listening music critics and art teachers think he is! It's like people liking Radiohead because they are 'deep' *shudder. Of course, 'North American Scum' is a superb song - I think Hot Chip are better though - just for song-writing skill (not by much, though).

Tom Walker - for me, it's nothing to do with image association with Kanye and, almost, everything to do with GaGa. With Kanye his personality saturates the music, with GaGa, to much extent, does not. I like both albums - Kanye's more, obviously, but they both still weren't really my kinds of albums. For me, great albums are either warm (think Al Green's 'Call Me', even Rolling Stone's 'Exile on Main Street' - although, only just) or (this is annoying - I can't think of the word!), for lack of a better word, bright (think Television's 'Marquee Moon', 'Layla', Sugar's 'File Under: Easy Listening'). Yes, I get the association with the use of guitars! Although, I think I could find some guitar heavy albums which I would consider warm ('Too Much Too Soon' is quite warm? How about, 'Pretzel Logic'?)! Both Kanye's and GaGa's albums don't seem to fall into either - 'Maya' is a warm album - they both, especially Kanye's, tend to feel a little dudish - if it wasn't for the brilliant music! Lol - I'm not really explaining myself here, am I?! Let's leave it at, for Kanye, no image association and with GaGa more than some!

Oh, and thanks Someone for the words of encouragement - after receiving 12 thumbs down on an earlier post I was starting to think some people in here were douche-bags, at the least, if not idiots.
Jan 18, 2011 12:23AM
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If that's inadequate, and I feel like it is, I'll try again tomorrow.

Ergh, I wish I could edit these.  A simple statement to add and I can't.
Jan 18, 2011 12:21AM
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Insincere?  There's your problem.  That definitely shows up on a lot of the songs, but focus on the core: "Someone Great" and, one of my five favorite songs ever, "All My Friends."

I've never been a Bowie fanatic, either, but the way most of the songs build and build from little into titular chants works a lot for Murphy.

Murphy comes off as insincere often, but it's just as often the point.  Only occasionally he'll let down his guard and becomes ludicrously sincere ("Someone Great," "All My Friends," "All I Want," "I Can Change.")  When he's not playing the joker, he's demonstrating how sad the joker usually is.

Maybe that doesn't make sense (and I definitely feel like I'm not explaining this adequately) because I wrote it quickly and I'm aching to go to bed before my first day of classes tomorrow.  But I do promise that if you focus on the two-song cores of LCD Soundsystem's second two albums, that's where the money is.  "Losing My Edge," "North American Scum," "and "Drunk Girls" are all great, don't get me wrong, but what brings it up and beyond for me is when he starts getting sincere.

Oh, and see a live show if you can.  I saw them with Hot Chip in October, and it was a ball.  Even if you're not totally sold on either band, I can't imagine someone not having a fun time.
Jan 17, 2011 11:26PM
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Joey:  What is it you like about Sound of Silver, or LCD Soundsystem in general?  It might help you to know that with the exception of Ziggy Stardust and "Life on Mars" I was never much of Bowie fan.  And my Ziggy Stardust affection is much more about Mick Ronson.

 

Murphy is just so freaking insincere sounding he turns me off completely.

 

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks.

 

GM

 

 

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Robert Christgau

Starting in 1967, Robert Christgau has covered popular music for The Village Voice, Esquire, Blender, Playboy, Rolling Stone, and many other publications. He teaches in New York University's Clive Davis Department of Recorded Music, maintains a comprehensive website at robertchristgau.com, and has published five books based on his journalism. He has written for MSN Music since 2006.

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