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Rick and Lori Grimes of 'The Walking Dead' talk Season 3, their relationship and more

By Mekeisha Madden Toby Oct 19, 2012 7:44AM

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Rick and Lori Grimes are the heart of "The Walking Dead."


So it doesn't help that in Season 3, the pair, played by Andrew Lincoln and Sarah Wayne Callies, can't get along much less look at each other.


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When the second episode -- the first pulled in nearly 11 million viewers -- airs Sunday, fans will experience more contemptuous exchanges and uncomfortable conversations. Spoiler: After all, there's a lot at stake with Hershel (Scott Wilson) fighting for his life. Meanwhile, Rick, Lori and the gang also have to contend with a group of prisoners who have a bunch of questions and unknown motives. 


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Just in time for Season 3, Lincoln and Callies sat down and talked to MSN TV about the new season, Rick and Lori's troubled relationship and what's next. "The Walking Dead" airs Sundays at 9 p.m. ET/PT on AMC. 


MSN TV: Can you talk about Rick and Lori and where their relationship stands in Season 3?


Andrew Lincoln: We're in the worst place pre-apocalypse. It's caused a possibly irrevocable rift between the two of them although there is some movement and certainly, in the first few episodes, they're trying to -- for the sake of the group and themselves -- heal this rift.


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Sarah Wayne Callies: It's a situation I don't think they would ever try and recover from were it not the end of the world and everyone else they know is dead. Last season people were always asking, "Why doesn't Lori just kick Shane (Jon Bernthal) out of the group." And the answer was always, "There are only three people alive who knew her six weeks ago." You can't overestimate the power of that. And now Shane's gone. Rick and Lori, you know we grew up together. We've been together since high school. So you know, were it not for the end of the world, we would just go our separate ways. There's been too much pain and too much loss. At this point, you sort of go, "I can't bring myself to leave. I can't bring myself to look at you. I don't know where that leaves us." And we've been festering in that for months.


How do you tackle that as actors?


Andrew Lincoln: We made a conscious decision not to make eye contact. Just because every time we look at each other it burns with guilt and shame from what's happened. It's that thing of having history. "The Road" was the important book for this season. Last season it was "Lonesome Dove" for me. But this season it was "The Road." It's a beautiful thing. They're starting to forget the past. Words mean less. That's why holding on to your history means everything in this apocalypse. They have to make it work.


Sarah Wayne Callies: What I think is interesting, is that what's gone wrong between them is not that I told him to watch his back and he killed Shane. I think that we were very clearly on the same page that that had to happen. In some ways, that was a big success. You know I warned my husband that someone was going to try and kill him, he tried to kill him and the right man came out of the fight.


But then he tells me, "I wanted him dead." And I recoil from him instead of embracing him and making him feel safe. That's one of the things I love about how this marriage has been written. This is not a couple that's pissed off because she had an affair and he killed the guy. Whatever. That's the obvious version. This is a couple that's heartbroken because she's afraid that he has turned into Shane by killing him. And he needed her in that moment to just say, "You're a good man. I forgive you and I love you." And she instead backed off. When we shot it, I spat in his face but they didn't go for that. It's too bad.


Andrew Lincoln: I wanted the spit version.


Sarah Wayne Callies: I know. Me too.


Is the strength of this show that it goes against conventional TV thinking? On most TV shows, the good guy stays the good guy but your character has changed completely.


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Andrew Lincoln: I don't know. That was one of the things that attracted me to the role is that he goes on this extraordinary journey -- this deterioration and huge change because of the environment and everything that happens to him. That was a huge traction to why I wanted to play the role. I think it's all of the characters. It's not just him. I love that everyone tries to explain the alchemy and I really wish I knew. All I know is that when we filmed it, it's the same crew that has worked through all three years and they are magnificent and they care about this.


Everybody is a huge fan. They get the scripts and they peel them open just as voraciously as we do. They can't wait. They want to tell this great story with these amazingly complicated but true characters. It reminds me of "The Magnificent Seven". It's got those sort of old ideas and old archetypes within it but then they invert it. They go against the norm. I suppose if you're doing serialized TV, you want to keep surprising the audience and I know they sit in the writers' room going, "What do we do next?"


Sarah Wayne Callies: It is a part of what works on our show but it's also more than just our show. I was watching the Emmys and people keep talking about this Golden Age of television. What serialized cable dramas have given us is the opportunity to not simply tell the same story with slightly different words and costumes every week. But you think about something like "Breaking Bad." The evolution of that character is enormous. What's happening in television right now is people are really mining the ability of storytellers to tell a long-form story that goes from A to Z and trust that an audience will follow that. Storytelling in television is getting more complex and more nuanced.


Andrew Lincoln: I think you're right. You reward the audience with something that you laid in the first season and reveal in the third season. It's a beautiful thing. As a writer, what a great opportunity.


In the second episode Lori tells Rick to do what he has to do with the prisoners. Does she really believe that or is she just trying to make things work?


Sarah Wayne Callies: I think Lori is really clear on her husband being the right man to lead the group. And whatever he needs from her, to be a better leader, is what she will give him. In Season 1 and Season 2, there was a lot of, "I don't know if this is the right call." What I saw is that discordance between us caused him to second guess himself and there were a lot of challenges there and I think she's taking a new tack -- which is not, "stand by your man no matter what" but "trust the man." They've divided this world and she's saying, "You handle what's out there. I will handle what's in here."


Andrew Lincoln: That's the beautiful thing. You don't want to be a burden at any cost. It's such a brave thing. We've got a baby. It's the worst pressure that you could possibly have. But Sarah made this fantastic choice as an actress to say, "I'm going to put no burden on you." He does it himself. He's Job, this dude, and he's testing himself. The fundamental difference between him and the Governor (David Morrissey), is the burden of responsibility and guilt that he carries. I'm not sure that the Governor -- I wouldn't want to speak for another actor -- but I'm not sure that he carries that. I think he sees the world for what it is. It's more of a nihilistic kind of view. He says, "This is the new world now." And he's able to detach himself from it. I'm not.


How does the tension between Lori and Rick affect Carl?


Andrew Lincoln: His story is the story I'm most fascinated by this year.


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Sarah Wayne Callies: It's complicated. I think Carl (Chandler Riggs) is probably the most affected by the rift between Rick and Lori. (Glen) Mazarra (executive producer) and I were talking about this before the season started. Children are so adaptable and they really can adapt themselves to almost any circumstance accept for the divorce of their parents or the death of a parent. There's something to be said that nothing -- killing Shane as a zombie, feeling responsible for Dale's death, seeing Sophia die -- nothing has been harder on Carl than seeing his parents separate, which is more or less what's happened. His journey this season is a very, very complicated one.


Whether Rick can ever bring himself to forgive Lori and Lori Rick, those are mature questions. Carl is handling them as a boy soldier, who has one little box for his emotions that he shoves them into and slams the lid on and then arms himself to deal with this world. And Chandler does it beautifully.


Andrew Lincoln: Yeah, watch out for the kid this season. He is amazing.


Sarah Wayne Callies: The level of nuance in his work is terrifying.


Andrew Lincoln: I'm convinced he's a 45 year old.


Will things get better for Rick and Lori?                 


Sarah Wayne Callies: What I love about these two is they love each other on a cellular level. Lori does not know who she would be without Rick in her life. At a certain level everything they're doing, they're doing for each other. It's this weird "Gift of the Magi" thing going on between the two of them. It's, "I can't look at you. I can't talk to you. I'm so ashamed. I'm so heartbroken. But I will kill myself to make sure you don't have to be in pain." I so want a happy ending for them. I want the series to end with the two of them in the back of a convertible.


Do you think that connection is what has kept them and everybody else sane?


Andrew Lincoln: I read "The Things They Carried" and it's a brilliant novel by Tim O'Brien about the Vietnam War. It's magnificent because it's exactly what this feels like. Everybody hasn't got time to process what's happening. But there will come a time when they will have to deal with the shockwave of the daily trauma that they live through.


Sarah Wayne Callies: Let me put it this way, if the prison were perfectly safe and we closed the doors and there were a 10-year supply of food and we grew gardens and everything was fine -- unicorns and ponies running through the halls -- these people would still have ahead of them a long road of pain and healing and grief. They haven't even scratched the surface because they haven't slept two nights in the same place in six or eight months. When you layer on top of that, "Here comes the Governor," things just keep getting thicker and thicker.


"The Walking Dead" airs Sundays at 9 p.m. ET/PT on AMC.


Are Sarah and Hank getting back together?

By MSN TV Partner Apr 11, 2014 10:51AM
In this sneak peek of the "Parenthood" season finale, Hank (Ray Romano) impresses Amber (Mae Whitman) and Sarah (Lauren Graham) with his Hank-like concern as they deal with Ryan's hospitalization.

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This clip, along with the promo clip NBC showed for next week's episode, hints at a reunion for Sarah and Hank. Are you rooting for the couple? Share your thoughts with us on Facebook and Twitter.

The season finale of "Parenthood" airs Thursday April 17 at 10PM ET/PT on NBC.

Get a glimpse of Marsden’s character in the animated show starring Jack McBrayer

By MSN TV Partner Mar 25, 2014 10:04AM

In a new episode premiering March 31, James Marsden will guest start on Disney XD’s “Wander Over Yonder”.

Marsden reunites with "30 Rock" co-star Jack McBrayer in this episode where the hero Sir Brad Starlight (Marsden) enlists Wander (McBrayer) as his goofy sidekick and Sylvia as his noble steed on his quest to save Princess Demurra from the evil Dragon King, King Draykor.

See this pic first on MSN TV: Wander is ecstatic to fulfill his fairytale dream of rescuing a princess, but Sir Brad Starlight is not interested in sharing the spotlight and reminds Wander at every turn that there's only room for one hero.

“Wander Over Yonder” airs Mondays at 9 p.m. ET/PT on Disney XD


Kim Kardashian, Wendy Williams hear what regular folk really think about them

By MSN TV Partner Mar 18, 2014 9:18AM
In the the new series from Oxygen, "Celebrities Undercover" will feature two celebrities concealing their true identity with the use of prosthetic make-up to find out what unsuspecting fans and friends really think of them without the distraction of their famous personas.

The season premiere will feature Kim Kardashian, and executive producer Wendy Williams will get a taste of her own medicine as well. In this clip watch Kim K. undergo an impressive make-up overhaul in prep for undercover work: going to a group job interview as a Kardashian fan hoping to become her own new assistant. 

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Other stars features this season include T-Pain, Fantasia, Joey Fatone, Lil’ Kim, Chili, Anthony Anderson, Jaleel White, Adrienne Bailon, Ice-T and Coco.

"Celebrities Undercover" premieres March 18 at 10:30 p.m. ET/PT on Oxygen.


Host Justin Willman and Disney stars dish on the new show and offer up advice

By MSN TV Partner Mar 14, 2014 11:15AM

(Disney's Win, Lose or Draw /Adam Taylor, Disney Channel)By Minh Nguyen

It didn’t take long for memories of the original “Win, Lose or Draw” game show to come flooding back as soon as we stepped foot on the set of Disney’s resurrected show of the same name.  Gone was the ‘80s living room set, replaced with bright vibrant colors, fun props and technology everywhere. Host Justin Willman (“Cupcake Wars”) commanded the stage as Disney stars Dove Cameron and Joey Bragg from “Liv and Maddie” battled it out against each other with their teammates.

The premise is pretty simple: two teams of three players (with the Disney stars on each side) compete in drawing contests to win prizes. Thrown into the mix are special challenges (like Shake, Rattle and Draw; Sit and Spin; The Wand) that take advantage of oversized props and fun gadgets. This season will also feature stars from Disney shows "Kickin' It," "Lab Rats," "I Didn't Do It,"  "Austin & Ally," "Jessie," "Dog With a Blog" and "Mighty Med" as well as stars from "Teen Beach Movie."

Over lunch, we were able to speak to Willman, Cameron and Bragg.

For people that aren’t familiar with the original game, how are you describing this to them?

Willman: The simple idea is just that it’s drawing Charades. You get your teammates to guess what you’re drawing. We have a team of writers who write these clues, and the words that they have to draw are so clever.

It's super high-tech, so the old original version was more markers on pads of paper, which was great at the time but here they have these massive touch screens and tons of software they designed just for the games that’s completely interactive.

Contestants have to do a bunch of crazy challenges in round two. Like drawing with a helmet on, where they can’t see anything or drawing with a unicorn stylus and that makes it way tougher but also much more entertaining to watch.

How are you enjoying being a part of the show?

Willman: As a live performer, I’m used to having that instant gratification of a live audience and this feels a lot like that. We’ve got 150 screaming kids, who are having the time of their lives just being there. It’s great because the jokes get instant payback. The excitement, I feed off of it. Even if it’s first thing in the morning, I don’t even need to have my coffee. As soon as that crowd starts to roar, I’m ready to go. It’s a blast.

Bragg: I like the rapid round. I can’t remember what it’s called. Where there’s one person drawing, and two people guessing, then we just switch.

Cameron:  I think the best part for me has actually been, (I know this sounds like such a canned answer), but has been getting to meet these kids. There was this great moment where, it was at the end of the first round when they all kind of flooded in and they hugged us. And some of them were crying, and I wanted to cry. We didn’t realize the gravity of how huge this really is, and “Win, Lose, or Draw” has been great that way. We’ve gotten to interact with a lot of kids.

Justin, what’s the best advice you ever received?

Willman: “Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.”

Dove and Joey, you guys seem really polished. What kind of advice do you have for kids that get stage fright?

Bragg: Well, I was doing stand-up comedy, and I don’t mean to be that guy, but it’s one of the hardest things to go up there and say stuff that you’ve written. You don’t have music backing you. I wanted to do something that I’m going to remember. And I think a lot of that is “I’m going to embarrass myself,” but you’re never going to see those people that are watching you ever again. Just do it!

Cameron: I always had a fear of cameras because I grew up on stage. Most things in life are one of those things where once you try it, you realize how OK it is. I just don’t take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyways. So, yeah. Just have fun. Do what you please.

“Disney’s Win, Lose or Draw” airs Mondays through Thursdays at 5 p.m. ET/PT on Disney Channel.


She still lives with her parents!

By MSN TV Partner Mar 13, 2014 10:55AM
Later this month, "Extra" host Maria Menounos will premiere her new reality show. "Chasing Maria Menounos" will give fans a peek into her life, including living with her longtime boyfriend and her immigrant parents.

In this interview with Oxygen's On-Air Personality Susie Castillo, Menounos reveals more about her upbringing and what to expect on her new series. Watch this first on MSN TV:

"Chasing Maria Menounos" premieres March 18 at 10 p.m. ET/PT on Oxygen.

Princess Aslaug brings surprise and intrigue to this scripted drama

By MSN TV Partner Mar 13, 2014 10:17AM
Season 2 of History's "Vikings" is underway. Princess Aslaug (Alyssa Sutherland) revealed she was carrying Ragnar's (Travis Fimmel) child, sending rippling effects into his kingdom. In this video extra, Sutherland talks more about her character and how filming went the second time around.

"Vikings" airs Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET/PT on History.

"It's not a good day, Mad Max"

By MSN TV Partner Mar 12, 2014 9:56AM

In this "Parenthood" clip, Max (Max Burkholder) wrecks havoc for Sarah (Lauren Graham) and Hank (Ray Romano) when he barges into the studio, interrupting their workflow.

Watch this clip, first on MSN TV:

Parenthood airs Thursdays at 10 p.m. ET/PT on NBC.

The classic game show has been upgraded with newer technology

By MSN TV Partner Mar 3, 2014 11:36AM

Who remembers the celebrity game show, "Win, Lose or Draw"? Disney Channel has recreated a kids version of it, premiering Monday, March 3. (The show will air Mondays through Thursdays).


On "Disney's Win, Lose or Draw" Disney Channel and Disney XD stars team up with kid contestants to compete and win prizes in a battle of drawing skills, creativity and wits. Justin Willman hosts the contemporary version of the popular game show, which also features new technology such as motion-control illustration, interactive multi-touch screen displays and other fun challenges.


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 "Disney’' Win, Lose or Draw" premieres Monday, March 3, at 5 p.m. ET/PT on Disney Channel.